Ats Craps
Craps is a dice game in which players place wagers on the outcome of the roll, or a series of rolls, of a pair of dice. Players may wager money against each other (street craps, also known as shooting dice or rolling dice) or a bank (casino craps, also known as table craps). The Small, Tall, and All Bets are a popular series of wagers that casinos began offering a few years ago. Because these bets can be made in $1 increments and have huge payouts, even disciplined craps players are known to place these wagers at times. Casino craps layouts and professional table felts available in a wide variety of colors! Custom Game Layout. Classic Craps Layout - BLACK. Classic Craps Layout - DARK BLUE. Classic Craps Layout - GREEN. Classic Craps Layout. Here we will discuss the different craps odds payouts starting from the two numbers that are the hardest to throw: two and twelve. There is only one combination of the two dice that can result in these figures, namely 1 and 1, and 6 and 6. Thus, the craps true odds for two and twelve are 1:36. Since you rolled a craps to lose the last game, you now roll again to start a new game (i.e., you make another come-out roll). Normally, the table cheers because 7 on the come-out is a winner for the Pass Line. But, alas, things are no longer normal in the craps universe since the creation of the Small, Tall, and All bets.
The Small, Tall, and All Bets are a popular series of wagers that casinos began offering a few years ago. Because these bets can be made in $1 increments and have huge payouts, even disciplined craps players are known to place these wagers at times. In fact, the assembled gamblers often keep track of these bets when this wager has been placed. Some gamblers cheer when rare bets on another gambler’s checklist is rolled, even if that same roll means their bet loses.
Each of these wagers is separate, so I’ll discuss each in its turn. The Small/Tall bets are similar to the Hi/Lo bets in other games, where the wager is placed on high and low numbers
'As we have discussed before, there are no craps laws or regulations in Las Vegas or Nevada so the Casino can make up or change at any time whatever craps rules they wish. In fact, unlike most states where the Casino's license is owned by the taxpayers of the state and therefore a patron has the right to play as a resident or visitor of the state, this is not so in Nevada where the Casino has the right to refuse any bet.
And this is the case with the All, Tall, Small Bonus Craps Bets:
These are 3 separate proposition bets that first started at Sam's Town on Boulder Highway several years ago. Then within the last few years these Bonus Bets spread like wild fire when Galaxy Gaming http://www.galaxygaming.com/ purchased the rights and started marketing it across the United States. You can get more information about these Bonus Bets from ... WizardofOdds.com Link
However, most casinos do not properly allow you to bet these Craps Bonus bets:
1. Sam's Town will no longer let anyone re-bet these 3 proposition bets on any roller once a Come-out 7 is thrown,
whereas the normal rules of the game allow you to re-bet EACH of these proposition bets ANYTIME after a 7 or after they are made
Sam's Town only allows you to bet the All, Tall, Small proposition bets once per roller -- do they allow only 1 Hard 8 bet per roller ?? -- is Sam's Town still in the gambling business ??
2. Most other casinos, except Downtown Grand Las Vegas Casino will not allow you to re-bet either Half after they are made until after the ALL bet is made or until the next shooter. Both the SMALL bet and the TALL bet are independent proposition bets and once made should be able to be re-bet regardless if the ALL bet has been made or not. However, most of the casinos argue that the 3 bets are NOT independent and can not be re-bet until the ALL bet is completed or a 7 is rolled.
How can so many casinos and so many professional dealers get it wrong 24/7 for so long ?! This is not much different than how the casinos can wrongly use unbalanced dice for so long with so many dice experts and dealers not knowing they do.
Many of the dealers said they did not know how to mark that Half was already made.
Seriously ?! All you have to do is turn the Lammers on that side over differently or mark it some other way -- these professionals have several little tricks of keeping track of unlabeled Hop bets and what's on the table and in your pocket.
.... As for Sam's Town, we just quit playing there -- it is not craps consumer friendly, especially since they do not use balanced dice most of the time .... but with the other casinos, I have had numerous conversations with dealers and Boxmen as well as conversations with Galaxy Gaming and finally a possible resolution:
On July 9th, Galaxy Gaming in Las Vegas had an internal meeting to discuss this problem of the Casinos not properly playing their bet and concluded the following:
- Discussed the mathematician's study that re-betting either Half does not change or increase the House advantage,
- To Discuss with each casino that re-betting either the SMALL bet or TALL bet after it is made (but before the ALL bet is completed) is no different than re-betting the Hard 8 after it is made so that they can give this option to their customers if they wish in Nevada,
- Galaxy Gaming is to develop new Lammers (Markers) for each casino that will say something like 'Small Side Qualified' or 'Tall Side Qualified' to make it dealer friendly.
As a consumer you have a choice where to spend your entertainment dollar .... and now you may want to ask before you buy-in what the House rules are on re-betting these proposition Bonus Bets .... as you have a choice to walk across the street or fly to a different state.'
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Posted By Blogger to Craps Advantage Players ® (CAPs) at 7/11/2014
Just asking.
' as you have a choice to walk across the street or fly to a different state.' How did that work out when 6/5 BJ first started ?
Just asking.
Las Vegas survives on those that can't do math.
Just saying.
With regard to not allowing all three bets to be re-bet after a 7 is rolled immediately after a point (e.g. a 7 roll where the shooter retains the dice) or after the All bet has been completed by a shooter, is a silly procedure that decreases the operators win on the Small/Tall/All. When all three bets are lost and are re-set (or all are won), the operator should take new action on all three bets regardless of whether the shooter retains the dice or not.
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AlanMendelson, as a consumer advocate, why would you even invest in the Fire Bet when the All, Tall, Small Bonus Bets are available across the street with a better ROI, better probability and less House advantage?
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Good question.
First, if you mean that it's available at the Bellagio the problem is I am not exactly welcome at the Bellagio's craps pit. Nor am I particularly welcome at any other MGM property.But given a choice between a Fire Bet and the ATS bets, of course I would prefer the ATS bets. I used to play them at Sam's Town years back.
I can live with not re-betting the Small/Tall that is made until the All is resolved. Yes the 1/2's are independent, but they are marked to not only track the progress of the Small/Tall halves, but also to mark the progress of the All. To have to re-set them & mark 'Small Qualified' or 'Tall Qualified' in order to facilitate the Re-Bet of either half, once made, isn't worth the potential confusion. Plus I think the marketing aspect of walking by a table and seeing the Small or Tall completed with only one or two spots to go for the All to pay off, is beneficial for future action on all three bets.
With regard to not allowing all three bets to be re-bet after a 7 is rolled immediately after a point (e.g. a 7 roll where the shooter retains the dice) or after the All bet has been completed by a shooter, is a silly procedure that decreases the operators win on the Small/Tall/All. When all three bets are lost and are re-set (or all are won), the operator should take new action on all three bets regardless of whether the shooter retains the dice or not.
I've never played the Tall/Small/All bet. Notwithstanding, an OFF button once the Small or Tall is completed (presumably like the Fire Bet being 'OFF' until new shooter). The remaining bets are live (ON) until 7-out. IMHO T/S/A that is ON for come-out should be OFF, make it easier to figure. /MHO
Practice Craps Table Play
Ats Craps
(1) Any time there are no bets already on the bet
(2) Immediately following a completion where all three bets win
(3) On any roll following a seven
I have seen Bellagio exercise #1
I have seen Jerry's Nugget exercise #2 -- everyone won twice on a single shooter without a seven
#3 I generally see plenty of places
The case I haven't seen that I don't think makes as much sense is when the tall pays off and before the small pays off, booking more tall bets before the other two bets resolve.
Even though this is possible, it's too likely to create confusion.
#1 above also creates confusion when numbers are not marked that players know that they rolled based on come bets.